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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Sep 27, 2019 8:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What if no Hunter?

The GD were 50% Jerry's voice (both guitar and vocal) 40% Hunters Songs, 10% all the rest. Jerry and Hunter could have stood alone w/o the rest of the band. They could have easily filled out the roster with other musicians and still have been close to the force they became. This is demonstrated by the 90% reduction in interest, excitement and crowds that now follow the music. D&C can attract a good crowd at say the Gorge in Washington, but if it was the Grateful Dead at that venue they would sell out 3 days in about half an hour of ticket sales, with a monster crowd hanging around, the campgrounds would become a party of biblical proportions and the music would change the course of history. Now all we get is run of the mill standard rock and roll. I was at the D&C show when Oteil "dropped" and I can say that there was not one thing played that night that I consider "trippy" . Nothing. Nice music, interesting vocal arrangements, competent guitar work, but little else. Local bar bands are more intriguing. Of course they were playing the greatest songs ever written, so that was something, but w/o Jerry they are just great songs. They can play Viola Lee Blues till the cows come home, but it isn't really anything w/o Jerry. St Stephen/ Dark Star/ the Eleven, what ever, w/o Jerry its nothing really except rock and roll...and I find most rock and roll to be boring and useless. If it doesn't "break on through to the other side" why bother more than once or twice for entertainment purposes? I can guarantee that I didn't go to 150+ shows just for entertainment.

Just a tad bit of hyperbole...

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Sep 27, 2019 1:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What if no Hunter?

Like. But you also touched on this: No Phil!

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Sep 27, 2019 2:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What if no Hunter?

Add Phil to D&C and they would draw bigger crowds, but would still be just regular music, like the Fare Thee Well business. Tame, courteous and completely lacking in any form of psychic trauma...I wanted them to scare me, like the peak of an acid trip.

I would take the 4 GD shows I saw in '95 over anything I've seen since. Without a doubt. Not even close.

I love Phil, I play a Modulus bass and try to emulate his way. The Furthur shows with Phil and Bob were fun, too bad they didn't have a guitarist who could stand toe to toe with them. Still they are way too tame and controlled. They dont let the music play the band anymore.

Real "musicians" can't let the music play the band...the fatal error of most GD tribute acts. Keeps them from being able to really do it.

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Sep 28, 2019 10:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What if no Hunter?

Ok now some more questions.

In 95 I was sitting in a grass hut in Hawaii so did the Dead really still scare and traumatize then?

Since you know bass, are there others in this jam scene that I read about that emulate Phil? My only experience is Oteil but he's a groove sort of guy and really nothing more than great support. To have two lead players really takes things to another level and changes the sound completely. D&C make a lot of Dead songs swing and even though they fit that mold I never thought the Dead swung. You must have a lot of fun playing. :)

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Oct 1, 2019 4:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What if no Hunter?

I posted a clip in the Hunter Lyrics thread that has a moment at a show from '95 that still haunts me to this day...my last show and it will forever ring in my ears. So Grateful that my last shows were spectacular, not as much as the ones from '82 or '83, but still heartfelt and pure.

Bass players are the weak link in almost every GD cover band. The problem is that they are bass players instead of Grateful Dead players. The sonic soundscape comes before musical correctness.

I play bass in one band and guitar in another. I picked up the bass because no one I knew would play one the way I wanted it to sound. I finally found a bassist who plays Dead - and I love it.

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Oct 7, 2019 3:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What if no Hunter?

Sorry been away. I will listen. Don't think I've ever hear a 95 cut ever. :) Do you have any sources on Phil's style? i mean I can hear Jerry over the years but I can't say the same for Phil.

Btw I can't read Hunter lyrics without singing along inside. Funny huh?

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Poster: Uncle_John Date: Sep 30, 2019 6:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What if no Hunter?

ColdRain - I generally agree with your point, but would accord quite a bit more credit to the rest of the band. Certainly Garcia/Hunter were the essential, irreplaceable element, but would the Dead or something like it really have evolved and lasted to the extent that we would still discuss their music today if Jerry had assembled a band with a different group of musicians?

Phil's avant-garde sensibilities were certainly an essential element. And many of Weir's songs were solidly at the core of their repertoire. Plus he provided an essential counterpoint with his unique approach to the 'rhythm guitar' role, and his showmanship.

Seems to me that in an alternate, non-Dead, universe Garcia would have made interesting and engaging music, regardless. Even moreso with Hunter as a songwriting partner. But the core members of the Dead somehow managed to develop a magical synergy that was far greater than any one of its parts.

- John This post was modified by Uncle_John on 2019-09-30 13:18:51

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Poster: c-freedom Date: Sep 28, 2019 9:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What if no Hunter?

The thing I would say about the Grateful Dead is to remember the era in which they played their music was at a time when musical styles and genres were collidng at a particular moment in time in U.S. history before divirging in different directions.
Then throw in the Psychedic rip into the time space continum. Where the shaman looks within and without simultaneously. CLOSED MY EYES TO SEE
Also one should remember the spiritual aspect of those times. I always go back to what WAVY sais about THE PERSON NEXT TO YOU IS YOUR BROTHER.
So while it is tempting to see GARCIA as the apex of the whole trip. I would rather say he was the ultimate representative of the era in that he continued to adhere to the values of those times long after those times had ceased to hold sway over the self absorbed generations that followed.
As far as musicianship except for some of the heartfelt ballads by 95 the GD were a mess and there was blame enough for everyone on that stage.
If Garcia had been able to switch over to strictly playing in the JGB perhaps he could have had a smoother transition into less touring in much the way that Phil holds court at his place. But like Weir make no mistake that Jerry was a road warrior.
As for Hunter I know so many Heads who didn't like the way Robert Hunter delivered his tunes but the key is they were his tunes.
I personally got a lot of insight into the GD by listening to Hunter perform!
The sum of the GD was greater than any one of it's members
but all it's members were essential to the chemistry of the band in each era of the 30 year run.
FARE THEE WELL.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Sep 27, 2019 10:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What if no Hunter?

Ditto.